[00:00:05] It’s time for Supply Chain Now Radio. Broadcasting live from the Supply chain capital of the country, Atlanta, Georgia. Supply Chain Now Radio spotlights the best in all things supply chain the people, the technology’s the best practices and the critical issues of the day. And now here are your hosts.

[00:00:29] Hey, everybody. Scott Luton here with you. Liveline Supply Chain Now Radio. Welcome back to the show. On today’s show, we aren’t broadcasting from Atlanta, Georgia, but rather we’re broadcasting right here in Austin, Texas, home of E.F. TS Logistics CIO Forum, which is a Reuters event. You don’t say we’ve been interviewing some of the most innovative thought leaders that are doing big things across CNN Supply chain industry. Wayne, we’re gonna continue that trend right here with this interview. And really our team, as we as we’ve stated a thousand times, we’re proud to continue to partner with Nick ossoff and the E.M.T. And Reuters event team. So it’s welcome in my fearless co-host here today. You might have heard the enthusiasm a second ago. Greg White serial supply chain tech entrepreneur, kronic disruptor and trusted advisor Heda and Greg.

[00:01:14] I’m doing outstanding. I’m so glad to be inside right now because it is a pawn, right? It just started getting cold in Texas and keep it cold in Austin. Yeah, I guess you keep it weird and cold.

[00:01:25] Well, really, I’ve enjoyed that. The shows we’ve done so far, I think we’ve got six or seven under our belt and we continue that trend here with this next guest. Let’s welcome in Shosh Anon Vise President Product strategy with soda. You and. Very good. How are you guys doing? Fantastic. Great to have you here. Great to enjoy our warm up conversation, which was at lightspeed. Right. And now we’re sitting in the chair with you. We’re gonna learn more about your background and your company and what you are doing and then get your thoughts on on the industry so often. With all of that said, tell us more about yourself. Where do you grow up and what do you do before Sophie Sheer?

[00:02:03] So I’m basically was born in Toronto, Canada, and I’ve been there pretty much my entire life.

[00:02:08] My mother came from dastardly bluejays that broke the brain. Starts a couple, huh?

[00:02:13] You remember her? Yeah. She’s not bitter that active Valya. Yeah, we were chanting the the brave thong.

[00:02:23] Vollertsen Great teams. We did great things. Yes. Back to back. It’s been a while though since then, but yeah. We’ll get there. Yeah. Home of the Toronto Blue Jays. The Toronto Raptors are two thousand and nineteen. That’s right. JL Yeah, yeah. I can’t talk too much about the Leafs, but, um. But yeah. Yeah, you’re doing well.

[00:02:40] I’ve been born there. I went to school there. Dell Computer Engineering when I was growing up in my university days and then I joined IBM, worked for Cubby Blue, Big Blue, and I was thinking that I’d be a developer gone in to support technical support and started talking to customers and realized, man, this is a lot more fun than than actually developing and learning a little bit more about customer’s problem. Yeah. And and it was enough of a Technical kind of knowledge that I didn’t have to go and developed the fix. I just had to talk to customers and understand their problems. And I love doing that right. So much so that I wanted to get into management. And so and managing a support team and things like that, I did my MBA part time while I was at IBM. And that was pretty cool. I learned about the business side. So as an engineer, you learn a lot about tech, what you don’t learn about business. And so I’m doing an MBA allowed me to do that quite, quite well and bring that information back into IBM and and try to, you know, help help them guide them into into the next level of generation.

[00:03:42] So how in the world do you earn your MBA or an IBM, just like you had in French while quarterback in the Georgia Bulldogs?

[00:03:49] Yeah, you’re right. So doing an MBA part time, I thought would be a very big challenge. But in fact, it’s actually a lot better because you’re learning all these new things and you have the ability to apply them. So you’re not learning just theory and kind of hoping that. Okay. Yeah. You know, there’s this thing called revenue and this is profits. And this is you know what? This is why the gas prices go down. You actually have the ability to go back to the company and start actually using the the stuff that you’ve learned. And that’s kind of one of the biggest benefits of doing your MBA part time.

[00:04:20] It is a lot of work, though. You’re never thought of that perspective. That’s good. You can apply it every day. Clyde, everyday’s.

[00:04:25] I’m challenging our team and challenging our managers and asking them about revenue and where is it? And so you start learning and comparing with IBM versus HP and where they’re going to go. And you have you start having these broader discussions.

[00:04:37] So it’s pretty cool. And you know, IBM just rolled out an interesting Sterling Supply chain software suite. All right. It was an interesting development that we were put on a couple years ago. Okay.

[00:04:48] Ah, a couple years ago, we think three kids that were that is that far ahead. Fields month. Yes. So how long have you.

[00:04:59] Part of the soda team, so I joined about 10 years ago now and we were a small software company of about 40 people at that time, and I joined in as a support manager.

[00:05:09] So after my MBA said, OK, I want to manage a support team and through at that time I got into about seven or eight different roles in the last 10 years. I started and support grew into a professional services group because we said, hey, we’re doing all this amazing support. Why do we try to make money off this? And we created a bit of a professional services organization. Then I got into product management. I was a very vocal person on the team because there was very much, you know, passion into customers and understanding. Yeah. And bringing that passion to the product, they said, you know, you’re complaining so much. Why did you go and fix it as well?

[00:05:42] Like I said, you’re that guy. I’m that guy. I was that guy. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[00:05:46] So that’s what you get for complaining. That’s how you get. They make you responsible for fixing it. Exactly. Yeah. Well that’s a great experience.

[00:05:52] Yeah. It’s been fun. So product management and then we tried to get into new products and then there was nobody to sell up these products. So I got into sales marketing. I got into business development. They said I was really good at talking to cut to our partners. So I manage things like the Samsung relationship we’re in. Sony is a software company for managing mobile devices. So mobile devices being like Samsung, IOW, Android, all these types of devices. So I started managing relationships and in our software started to form. And prior to Android and Windows sorry. To Android and ILADS, we were managing Windows devices, Donna.

[00:06:28] And so it continued to evolve in mobile devices have continued to evolve. And and that’s where we’ll be where we play them. The audio. You hear the buzz you’re building story. Well.

[00:06:38] Holy cow. First of all, I would like to point out, aside from the audience that he has drawn to us, he brought his own out. He is the first guest that we’ve had to bring an entourage that many, many have brought, handlers that don’t say the SWAT team, but he’s the first one that’s brought an entire entourage. Okay. I want to know who who’s the driver? The driver. That would be Rachelle.

[00:07:01] Zero female there. Yes. And definitely not the guy with the broken leg. Yeah. Yeah. Which was induced by lacrosse, I hear. Yes. Yes. Yes. The athlete. He’s a professional lacrosse player. A professional professional. That’s correct. And he injured himself while playing. And so he’s out. So now he’s in software.

[00:07:24] So our listener sales as well.

[00:07:26] Listeners benefit. He’s built like he could be offensive lineman interac Phil, so that he came over here and asked about our podcast. I have what, everyone? Yeah. Got it. Yeah. Don’t hit us. Yeah. All right. So let’s.

[00:07:39] You’ve kind of shed some light around Saudi talk. Give us a bit more. What kind of problems, you know. Are you helping your customers and clients solve?

[00:07:49] Yeah, that’s a great question. So a lot of companies are starting to starting to use mobile devices throughout their organization and for a variety of different reasons. One is if you look at, say, the white collar side of the business, they’ve got IOW, they’ve got Android devices. They might they may have other types of phones. But now think about the Logistics or the operations or the supply chain side of the business. They’re they’re using mobile technology for dedicated purpose devices to improve their operations, to say, hey, if I can give this person a device and maybe lock it down to a specific set of applications, then I can I can improve that person’s worker productivity by giving them mobility. Maybe they’re using paper and pen processes today. How do I go in and give them a mobile device to automate and give them visibility into what they’re doing? And so as companies are using mobile devices, the next logical question that comes up is how do I manage all of those devices that are out there?

[00:08:43] And that’s where Sony comes in. We are kind of considered a mobile device management solution, super connector, super connector to connect all your devices. But don’t just think about phones and tablets. Think about rugged devices. Think about RFID devices, dishwashers. I mean, what is it? What does it communicate these exactly. And so you’re getting into what they call IATA, right. Internet of Things. Right. So these are connected devices. They don’t necessarily have like a rich operating system like Android is or Eyeless, but they’re connected. And so how do I manage all of those devices? So we’re trying to give you a single pane of glass to manage all different types of devices. And that what that means is how do I configure them all? How do I set up security for them? How do I get visibility on how they’re doing? How does how many dishes is my dishwasher washing it at any given moment of time? How much Kaskade is it using? Exactly. And when does that cascade run out? Yeah, I’d be alerted so I can use my Amazon to order more like an engineer. I love that. So you touch on security and we talked battlement earlier episode. What I find pretty interesting, I saw it Apple commercial the other day and it focused on just one thing. Okay. It started kind of panned out to a city and it kind of zoomed to camera, zoomed in on it like an apartment.

[00:09:59] Someone used her phone and then it moved to like a animation where it was a play on the Apple logo that showed like a lock and it was laser focused that Apple is secure in security and is really the first time I could think of that. All the commercials you have and mobile devices these days. It was the first time I’d seen it focused that simply and that laser focused on just security. Absolutely. I bet that is a huge hit. Is that aspect of the conversations you’re having, right? You’re absolutely right. I don’t know if you guys have heard of. In Europe, there’s something called global data privacy. Joe Hurley are regulations. This is the at a very high level. It’s kind of like, hey, this is a device or this is this. This company is holding some personal information about me. I want the right to be forgotten. Yes. I don’t want this information to be tracked. I don’t want to be tracked all throughout when I’m doing so as a personal person. Yeah. You have that right to say I don’t want. I have the right to be forgotten. I want you to be able to remove me from your system completely. And so technology wasn’t kind of designed earlier on to really not not track you, to just turn you off and and maybe anonymize you in a nice stems.

[00:11:12] So what’s happened is there’s a lot of legislation that’s come out. You know, even the Googles and the Microsofts and the Facebooks of the world have been kind of being attacked around these areas where they need to have software that allows them to anonymous is that data to to actually remove those people from the systems. So same thing with Sony. We have to go in and make sure that our software is extremely secure. And when you’re thinking about managing mobile devices. Right. I have so much potential information about you as a person and how you’re using your mobile applications, where you go, where you’re going.

[00:11:44] I can assure you. Yeah. Yeah. Some people call it Big Brother. But yeah, if if I if I leave that organization, I want to be completely kind of removed from your entire system. You can’t track me. And so that’s what disappearence to make sure. Exactly. So that’s one area of security. There’s tons of other areas. You know, we’re kicking off a new partnership with a big company. The 37 page contract they sent over, I swear four or five pages dealt with how we would deal with their date data. Right. From definitions laying out the regulations. Right. And it really as we read through that review and it really this is a whole new year. This isn’t about putting a file through a shredding machine. You’re darn right. That’s right. It’s really a it’s as exciting as it is. There still there’s new risks and threats and what have you.

[00:12:31] Well, and you have to be very, very careful because you are holding someone else’s identity in your hands. Technical. I mean, you know, that’s not the technical term. But that’s effectively what’s happening.

[00:12:42] You’re right. And there’s also other areas around that. Right. Right. Data that’s on the device. It has to be encrypted. If if I’m looking at new applications that I’m downloading, I’ve got to make sure that they’re not extracting the data as well. That’s right. So you’ve got to make sure that these mobile devices are secure. That data doesn’t go out. We have to get down to the router level even to say where’s this data actually going? So we manage the information that’s going from your mobile device out through the access points. Right. And where are they going? Are they going to China? Is this their data being sent over there? So we need to kind of understand the flow and be able to allow the I.T. organization to control that those types of flows.

[00:13:19] So what brings you here to the Logistics CIO forum? What do you look forward to in an event like this online? Yeah. Speaking on a panel or whatnot?

[00:13:26] Yes. Yeah. So we are speaking. So we do a lot of work with Logistics organizations that are using mobile devices. And this is the first time we’re actually coming into this type of conference. We are realizing that we’re. You know, this is a great audience for CEOs, for the sea levels to understand from them what are their biggest pain points and around Logistics, around mobility and where where can we help solve problems. And so we’re hearing from all of these other speakers about what are their challenges. And a lot of the you know, the terminology comes up about robotics, about artificial intelligence, about business intelligence, about mobility, the challenges around building apps, managing all of these I.T. end points and the security around them. So we’re hearing about all these things. And soda is a great tool. We’ve got a whole wide set of a Swiss Army knife of tools that allow you to help you accelerate your business. And so you can embrace all of these different challenges. You don’t to worry about security because we’ve got a tool that allows you to address those things.

[00:14:30] All right. So perfect Segway. OK, let’s talk about some of the things are keeping leaders up at night or switching gears. You know, what are some of the things that that some of supply chain trends or issues or or challenges that you’re tracking more than others here lately?

[00:14:45] Yeah. So I think that what we’re seeing is, is there’s a variety of companies that are at the forefront and also at the back of of kind of trying to implement technology to help them accelerate their business. You’ve got companies like U.P.S.. Talking about drone technology and how you can get a drone to be shipping last mile deliveries while you are driving your truck, right. And having two things going on at the same time. Wonderful. They’re ahead of the curve in this kind of cool technology. There are other companies in the same in the same slot that are still using paper and pen processes. And so you’re seeing this wide variety of folks and you you start understanding kind of what is it that they’re they’re doing? Why are some of them not able to move as fast as others? Some of it is talking about the culture. These are very big companies. They have an older generation of staff changes slower for some reason. They don’t adopt technology as fast as they can. So the culture is one thing where companies that are showing that they are able to accelerate.

[00:15:49] It’s a culture of change. They understand that we’re not just going to buy this one technology and use it throughout for years and years to come. Now it’s about, you know, having the ability to integrate all these technologies together. How do I integrate them? How did they all talk to each other? How do I start automating my business? So automation becomes this huge term that applies to so many different areas. But just a simple example is just paper and pen process. How do I build a mobile app out of that perception has been that this takes months. This takes it doesn’t. It does not. It takes minutes. And so there’s tools out there that allow you to say, hey, you’re using a form today in a matter of a couple of minutes without any code required. I can move that form to a mobile app. And those are the kind of tools that we’re showing people, as is how do you accelerate what you’re doing today and bring it in because it doesn’t take that long. And so that’s the realization that we’re trying to jerai trying to showcase here.

[00:16:43] Mm hmm. So as as technology continues to put up proliferate. Easy for you to say more inexpensively. But what I’m hearing you say, it’s also despite how complex and some of the complex challenges that technology is solving in enabling it across in its supply chain, it really has gotten kind of on the flip side, easier in some cases.

[00:17:05] That’s correct. Yeah, you’re right, Scott. So. So that’s what we’re kind of giving, is that there are tools out there that allow you to really simplify your operations, turn a device on. It’s already got all the apps, all the content. It’s already set up for security. You don’t have to do anything anymore. It’s a touchless experience. I can’t manage 100000 devices out there because it’s it’s very hard for me to tell everybody, hey, can you go download this app? And you oh, you’re on AOS. OK, go to the app store. Oh, you’re on you’re on Android. Go to the play store, download this version. And now as an I.T. organization, I’ve got to keep up with all of the new technologies that are out there. It’s not easy, but if you have the right tools in place, it becomes extremely easy. And you can go even further. And if you have tools that allow you to keep accelerating. It’s not a one time, you know, one size fits all. It’s you have to have the right tools in place. You have to have the hammer and screwdriver to be able to do all the different things that you want to do it.

[00:18:00] You’ve got Shosh on speed dial. Gates. Really?

[00:18:03] Well, then he gives you somebody. He’s got on. Yeah. But even in this world of bring your own device. Yes. It can be that simple. Correct. I mean is that what you’re saying?

[00:18:14] Absolutely. In the world to bring your own device. What we’re what we’re seeing is, is that yeah, there there are apps that you want to use as an end user, but you don’t want to have the corporate the corporation own that device. You want to have your own personal device, but still have work apps available to you. So, yes, you can build these apps that take minutes to build and help you automate your process, your business. Simple example give you if he is our secretary, she is using a paper and pen process so that when shipments come in from four, four or variety, different reason shipments of boxes come in. She writes down on a piece of paper who the key, who it came from, who it’s going to when it arrived, and then as as, say, Scott has to come in and pick up his shipment. Scott’s going to say, yep, I received it, here’s my name, here’s my signature. But it’s a paper and pen process. You have no visibility. What if you didn’t get your box? So she went in and created a little mobile app using our tools and she can create an app in a few minutes. And now that whole thing is digitized. I know exactly when that person’s coming. I get an alert on my phone. You come in, you say, okay, I have an electronic signature capture. And now everything is kind of all digitized and they have visibility. I understand I can track all it and costs and it has as down.

[00:19:27] Yes. And the streets can work on other things now. Yes. Maureen. It’s not months. Yeah. And that all in past months. That’s good. That’s. Yeah. I think that on a three on one of the previous episodes you just say thank you.

[00:19:38] Well it’s just a dollar per license.

[00:19:45] All right. So let’s agree. We talked about this one the previous episodes, the new Amazon drop boxes because it as you were explaining that a second ago, that is like the physical illustration of making life easy. Especially from the chain of communication that you had to have. Right. To just the ability to you know, we we came in to Austin couple days ago and we ordered a couple pieces of equipment that we couldn’t get home before we had to leave. OK. I hadn’t tried it in these Amazon drop boxes yet. Greg has because he is all things technology that I had. Oh, OK. Let’s still have those. We still have the Pony Express out in Walton County, Georgia, where we live.

[00:20:25] But anyway, so we’d. And we also wanted to avoid the front desk at the hotel because you never know who’s going to be there and somebody’s going to be there if they’re going in there. Yeah. So we say, you know what? We’re going to it’s a $40 purchase. Let’s just travel these drop boxes. OK. We could pick a drop box at the 7-Eleven, a three block street. Yeah, it’s a classic from the hotel. When we arrived, the same location we got gas. I say was probably not there yet. Know exactly what I needed. Yeah. It’s intercommunication could’ve walked over there. You beat that thing in and I said, OK. Which switch? Which door do you want to open first. Yeah. Two doors. You click that and it’s just like poof. And you get it in the whole system. I don’t know why. Maybe I come across a bit as a simpleton. But it made it so much easier for the Logistics of what I needed to get where I needed it.

[00:21:16] When we’re on the road and all of that while a Slurpee and the other half. Yeah. I mean, that’s the best part of it. Yeah. I’m a secret. I always talk about my butt in a different way.

[00:21:29] Yeah. There are elements to that experience I just had in the scrub. They are providing to your customers.

[00:21:35] Yeah. That’s exactly it. So. So. So our companies are trying to make that same experience happen in their retail environment and their Logistics environments. They’re trying to make it so that everything can be done from a mobile app, from the mobile device. And if I can do that with one button or even automate that whole process for you so that as soon as you press that one button, everything happens, I can get visibility. I know exactly where you are. I know exactly what the devices are. That is where people are going. That’s kind of the trend that we’re seeing as they’re trying to leverage IAPT devices so that when I, for example, walk into my warehouse, maybe the lights turn on automatically. Maybe the fridges turn on automatically. Maybe the printers are all set up to the right settings for me because they know who I am. It’s kind of like when you go into your home and you have a smart home. Same idea with the business. I want a smart business kind of idea. I love it. Yeah.

[00:22:25] All right. So simple UI is absolutely critical these days. You’re absolutely right. It’s, you know, the coming generations, millennials and genze, they absolutely require it for the current generations. Many of. I think the two predominant generations of boomers and Gen X era in the workplace today, they’ve always wanted it. They didn’t even know to ask for it. And now that you see, I mean, I can I can tell you that I’m a faster adopter of technology than my kids are. Except for Instagram.

[00:22:55] I love you.

[00:23:00] But, you know, you’ve always wanted it to just happen. Yeah. Right. Right. I can I can tell you that I have experienced that frustration. And I think a lot of people have it now that they’ve seen the door open, they’ve seen the light now more and more people of every generation are going. It ought to be that easy. It ought to be that easy. Exactly. And it’s an it’s it’s table stakes now for technology.

[00:23:20] You’re right. And and if I can add onto that, there is this reliance now as we start adopting all these technologies, there’s a reliance that they’re going to be working all the time. Yes. And there’s a reliance. And you kind of start anticipating that every single thing I’m doing is going to. So. So but what happens is what if that technology starts breaking? What happens in those scenarios if I’m down? Now, all of a sudden, I’m thinking about my raii and I’m like, wow, I can’t use this technology. Then you only it’s only then when you realize that, yes. Downtime becomes this massive discussion point. And so Sony has tools for that as well. We’ve got the ability to remotely support and users in real time. I can see the end users device. I can go in and fix problems in real time. That’s that’s also a very important point that some people are thinking about as an afterthought. We have never thought, you know, yes, you want to be proactive, but you need to be reactive when those times of technology feeling, you need that as well. Yeah. So you need the whole gambit.

[00:24:14] You had know once you have it’s a technology paradox. Once you have technology, you expect it to take care of everything. Yeah. And just always. That’s exactly right. And then you need technology to fix the Technical. Right. And you become unbelievably frustrated. I don’t know if you do. Let me just speak to myself. You go unbelievably frustrated and my technology ceases to work. I mean, I know that my wife is hearing me utter profanities from my office in my house when anything goes wrong with any of my devices. You’re right. You’re right. So, you know, you become really reliant on it. I mean, this elder thing, you know, the. Yes. The E.O.D. Glitch that occurred with these truck drivers. I am so glad we’re not recording everything going on in the cabs get. Because that had to be an incredible frustration for them.

[00:25:01] Maureen got to have the whole enchilada. You got to have you. Devin White, you’ve got to have you, Joe Carter. You’ve got John Rood. Wow. Pat tenjin, Roberto Alomar, Brad O. Henken said to our listeners, if you’re not connecting the dots, we’re naming off some of the legendary figures of that, those back to back teams. Yeah. That were very smart. And the Phillies hearts and the Phillies are, remember, hard or hit the walk off. Yes. Remember the pitcher you walk on? Yes. He was wild thing was this wild thing. Mitch Williams. Mitch Williams. I do remember odd. Is there remember that moment in time I was in my basement and we were jumping up and down. Well, if he was a crazy pitcher, I loved him. Joe Carter from Wichita State University. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, gosh. There are some some awesome teams that forgot Roberto Alomar, Roberto L-E and Dave Molinar from Milwaukee. Yeah. That’s right. To that.

[00:25:55] Ok. So let’s really appreciate your time here today. And there’s no shortage of passion that these interviews have headed. And I really mean that.

[00:26:05] It’s more than that. Right. I mean, it’s it’s it’s more than passion. You can sense the obsession. And to be really great solving a problem. Passion is not sufficient. It requires obsession.

[00:26:14] Wow. I like that. And it is a twofer. And I’m full of snippets, moments down. Yeah, well, with an execution.

[00:26:24] And I think the thing the conversion that you all have made is, is you have created the ability to execute. Next, I got to tell you, I’m sitting once we get off here, because I don’t want this to turn Pinchy. But once we get up. I mean, have you guys figure out how to help me with some of these?

[00:26:42] So one last note. So 10 years ago when you joined. Yeah. You said you’re about a team of 40. Correct. Heard that, right? That’s right. Give us a sense of how how much of your growth today were.

[00:26:53] We’re over 100 employees now. Wow. So the growth has been phenomenal. We’re growing at about 35 percent year over year revenue. We’ve got about 4000 partners around the world. We’re in that 12 different offices. It’s a global organization. And the majority of our revenue kind of comes from outside of Canada. As he connects back to the U.S. is a big influence there of that as well in Europe as well. But yeah, the the growth has been phenomenal. And it’s mainly because companies are starting to embrace mobile technology. And so they’re using Linux devices they’re using. So don’t you think I use an Android, but there’s Windows, there’s Sherkin, there’s there’s watches, the wearables. How do I manage my watch? I’m so and there’s lights. And so all of these devices are becoming great for Saudi because we met at all those years ago. So that’s kind of our business model is to to charge on a per device basis. So it’s it’s phenomenal.

[00:27:43] So let’s make sure how can our listeners learn more about you or about the company? How can they connect?

[00:27:49] Yes. Great. Great question. So I would say visit w w w dot Sony dot net. And there you’ll learn a lot about kind of what what is the industry doing in terms of Logistics? What are the challenges that companies are facing and what are the tools that they can use to help them accelerate their business?

[00:28:05] And for our listeners, that is s o s Saudi s o t i dot net. And Shosh, I look forward.

[00:28:13] You need to be in front of a lot of microphones along the lines of what Greg White Sheer. And it’s really neat to hear what you are doing, but it’s also better yet, much better yet is kind of the person is sharing the story and I think I hope our listeners enjoy it as much as we did. Yeah. So I’m glad that we were able to make this connection so big thanks to our speaker. Shosh, a non vise president product strategy with soda. Thanks so much. Thank you, Scott. Stop a bass thinks since I have one sec. Thanks. You. And to our listeners, stay tuned as we continue our coverage of the EAFE Logistics CIO Forum, a Reuters event, right, Greg? It is indeed right here in Austin. Have a great time meeting the movers and shakers across the in Supply chain space. And also, be sure to check out our upcoming events, replays of our interviews, other resources at Supply Chain Now Radio dot com. You can find us from Apple podcast, SoundCloud Greg White. Where else can they find us? Probably. Let me think.

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